Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki joined ESPN’s Marc Stein on the TrueHoop Conversations Podcast to talk about reaching 30,000 career points and delve deeper into numerous aspects of his career. Check out the full podcast below.

“It’s still sort of surreal,” he tells Stein about approaching 30K. “It’s been such a long ride. When you struggle like I did at the beginning my first years, and there’s doubt’s creeping in — are you gonna make it? Are you gonna make it in this league? Are you good enough? — and then 19 years later you’re only the sixth guy to ever do something, that’s incredible. It’s still surreal to me at times.”

Listen to the entire podcast, for sure. Nowitzki is one of the most honest, interesting athletes of our time. You know the drill by now: When he talks, we listen.

Earlier this season, Mavs head coach Rick Carlisle appeared on the same podcast. Listen to that episode here. And check out the full catalog of podcasts here.

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